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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 2:56:01 GMT
Aaand I lost 90% of the post written out because I pressed a mouse button by mistake. Here we go again... This might be messy because of that. Anyways, the end farm IMO, while being a great advantageous asset, is a contradiction to SMP. Take what you will with that, but i understand that's it Semi-Vanilla. However, your whole point seems to be pointing to how SMP revolves around working for items. Well....the end farm kinda makes things easy, no? That was basically your argument against the whole reset. The end farm makes getting levels easier. In your opinion it's easy to go out and get these things, yes it's somewhat easy because you just need to look. It just takes time, and honestly that's kinda not alluring to people. You misunderstand. My entire point is NOT that people should have to work hard for everything. It's that people should have to work for their stuff if they cannot buy and it's available to get out there instead of complaining. Being able to just buy it instead of getting it yourself is a luxury. Not a requirement. Enderman farms, while perhaps OP in the original 'survival' setting, you can make in pure vanilla survival, using only intended vanilla survival mechanics. Using such farms I have 0 issue with. People complaining about elytras when they don't want to work for them and they are out there would be the same as people complaining that there would be no public enderman farm for them to use. If you can't buy it and it's available out there then go get it yourself instead of complaining. Work for it. If you can't just use use a public farm because there is none, go make a farm yourself instead of complaining. Work for it. The point is that you have no right to complain in these situations. Not that you have to work for everything per se. "People charging high prices because they can." Wannnnnnna know why? Take a good guess. Because they know they can charge whatever they want, because they have the supply. A dehydrated man would trade his soul for a glass of water. Yes, bit of an exaggeration because of the circumstances, but i hope you get my point. In this case the dehydrated man could get a glass of water from the water source as easily as anyone else. But he didn't. No one starved him off his glass of water. He just never went to the fountain because he insisted on buying the glass of water from someone else. This is a non issue. Yes, you charge a fair price, but some people don't charge that. The problem does exist, and it may not be severe, but it will be. It would be nice to start thinking ahead of the issue. I honestly believe resetting the end isn't needed. However, i feel like the time will come soon. This problem barely exists. It's so small that it's not an issue, but it is a thing, yes. Did you even watch the videos and/or read what I said about going end city raiding? If so, you should realise that the vast majority of end cities are unraided. That after the end not having been reset for... probably over a year now? The rate of this becoming an actual issue is very slow. Anyway, the future is the future. We're speaking of this with the current situation in mind. Not a future one. I'm kinda on the fence because i understand, people want these end items, not just elytra. Yet there really just too expensive for the average player. I feel like this is an invalid point. Elytras are end-game item that spawn rather rarely. The avarage player is not at the end-game stage yet. If you can't afford to chunk say 64 diamonds for one, you're probably just not far enough into the game to normally even get one. Again, people wanting stuff without actually going out to get it when it's available is not something I consider an issue in the slightest. It's a game with a rather lengthy progression. If y'all wanna solve the elytra problem, use my earlier suggestion of giving them away in events. That would be fun, and challenge players to work for that prize. Though I disagree with the statement that there is a problem, have no issues with this at all. Events are cool. Anyways, what's your valid reasons for not resetting it. Exclude your opinion of "Well they should just work for it, and stop being lazy." Use actual evidence of why, i mean the builds can be saved. So that's one issue solved, so what's the real issue? If only the outter end islands are reset I have no issues with that. I still think it's rather stupid given that availability is still high, and the situation won't change much because there's actually more supply out there in the end. If it changes much I'd say it's because people finally got their butts out there after hearing it was reset, thinking things are now 10x easier even though they're not even close to 2x easier. Anyway, again, I have no issues with it if it's just the outter islands. If the entire dimension gets reset then the issue I have is that a lot of work got deleted for the sole reason of people being silly and coming extremely exaggerated conclusions based on a false idea that they have because they never even tried. And that, is what I call retarded. You shouldn't force drastic solutions to a problem that doesn't exist. I admin'd for a server and we could reset the end, granted this was way back before the end cities. I think people, mainly the new ones want a sense of new adventure in the end. I think a large problem form my perspective stems from not having a regulated economy. that's just another issue, that's really not worth discussing. Different servers, different ideology. This is not something this serverhas ever strived towards. At this very moment i don't think a reset is needed, but i think that comp idea should be considered. It'll defiantly take some stress of you guys, especially you. I'm fine with elytra prizes for comps. And I'm not stressed at all, I just think this entire ordeal is silly, and I care to not make stupid moves that would do more harm than good. Take it for what you will though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 3:01:33 GMT
Deleted a bunch of posts. This is really not the place to argue about things that aren't the topic. Don't want it to get out of hand either. Let's drop that conversation chain.
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Post by thesavior76 on Apr 13, 2018 3:03:47 GMT
Aaand I lost 90% of the post written out because I pressed a mouse button by mistake. Here we go again... This might be messy because of that. Anyways, the end farm IMO, while being a great advantageous asset, is a contradiction to SMP. Take what you will with that, but i understand that's it Semi-Vanilla. However, your whole point seems to be pointing to how SMP revolves around working for items. Well....the end farm kinda makes things easy, no? That was basically your argument against the whole reset. The end farm makes getting levels easier. In your opinion it's easy to go out and get these things, yes it's somewhat easy because you just need to look. It just takes time, and honestly that's kinda not alluring to people. You misunderstand. My entire point is NOT that people should have to work hard for everything. It's that people should have to work for their stuff if they cannot buy and it's available to get out there instead of complaining. Being able to just buy it instead of getting it yourself is a luxury. Not a requirement. Enderman farms, while perhaps OP in the original 'survival' setting, you can make in pure vanilla survival, using only intended vanilla survival mechanics. Using such farms I have 0 issue with. People complaining about elytras when they don't want to work for them and they are out there would be the same as people complaining that there would be no public enderman farm for them to use. If you can't buy it and it's available out there then go get it yourself instead of complaining. Work for it. If you can't just use use a public farm because there is none, go make a farm yourself instead of complaining. Work for it. The point is that you have no right to complain in these situations. Not that you have to work for everything per se. "People charging high prices because they can." Wannnnnnna know why? Take a good guess. Because they know they can charge whatever they want, because they have the supply. A dehydrated man would trade his soul for a glass of water. Yes, bit of an exaggeration because of the circumstances, but i hope you get my point. In this case the dehydrated man could get a glass of water from the water source as easily as anyone else. But he didn't. No one starved him off his glass of water. He just never went to the fountain because he insisted on buying the glass of water from someone else. This is a non issue. Yes, you charge a fair price, but some people don't charge that. The problem does exist, and it may not be severe, but it will be. It would be nice to start thinking ahead of the issue. I honestly believe resetting the end isn't needed. However, i feel like the time will come soon. This problem barely exists. It's so small that it's not an issue, but it is a thing, yes. Did you even watch the videos and/or read what I said about going end city raiding? If so, you should realise that the vast majority of end cities are unraided. That after the end not having been reset for... probably over a year now? The rate of this becoming an actual issue is very slow. Anyway, the future is the future. We're speaking of this with the current situation in mind. Not a future one. I'm kinda on the fence because i understand, people want these end items, not just elytra. Yet there really just too expensive for the average player. I feel like this is an invalid point. Elytras are end-game item that spawn rather rarely. The avarage player is not at the end-game stage yet. If you can't afford to chunk say 64 diamonds for one, you're probably just not far enough into the game to normally even get one. Again, people wanting stuff without actually going out to get it when it's available is not something I consider an issue in the slightest. It's a game with a rather lengthy progression. If y'all wanna solve the elytra problem, use my earlier suggestion of giving them away in events. That would be fun, and challenge players to work for that prize. Though I disagree with the statement that there is a problem, have no issues with this at all. Events are cool. Anyways, what's your valid reasons for not resetting it. Exclude your opinion of "Well they should just work for it, and stop being lazy." Use actual evidence of why, i mean the builds can be saved. So that's one issue solved, so what's the real issue? If only the outter end islands are reset I have no issues with that. I still think it's rather stupid given that availability is still high, and the situation won't change much because there's actually more supply out there in the end. If it changes much I'd say it's because people finally got their butts out there after hearing it was reset, thinking things are now 10x easier even though they're not even close to 2x easier. Anyway, again, I have no issues with it if it's just the outter islands. If the entire dimension gets reset then the issue I have is that a lot of work got deleted for the sole reason of people being silly and coming extremely exaggerated conclusions based on a false idea that they have because they never even tried. And that, is what I call retarded. You shouldn't force drastic solutions to a problem that doesn't exist. I admin'd for a server and we could reset the end, granted this was way back before the end cities. I think people, mainly the new ones want a sense of new adventure in the end. I think a large problem form my perspective stems from not having a regulated economy. that's just another issue, that's really not worth discussing. Different servers, different ideology. This is not something this serverhas ever strived towards. At this very moment i don't think a reset is needed, but i think that comp idea should be considered. It'll defiantly take some stress of you guys, especially you. I'm fine with elytra prizes for comps. And I'm not stressed at all, I just think this entire ordeal is silly, and I care to not make stupid moves that would do more harm than good. Take it for what you will though. I actually haven't watched your video yet, but I'll make note of it. I'm going to explore tomorrow extensively and see for myself. I didn't have an issue earlier finding a city, so I'll put it to the test. I'm still confused about this "harm" you speak of? Why i see the pros and cons. Nothing seems detrimental to our server. Anyways, I'll resend my end farm comments. That was a shoddy argument at best. Honestly, how about me and you survey the end, and see just how many cities are left? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 3:15:42 GMT
I'm still confused about this "harm" you speak of? Why i see the pros and cons. This was referring to the case of a full end reset. Again, no issues with it just being the outter islands. But losing the entire main end island, spleef arena, pvp arena, and all enderman farms (which there are quite a bunch of - more than just the 3 connected to the main island) isn't outweighed by having the resulting amount more unraided end cities. Honestly, how about me and you survey the end, and see just how many cities are left? The end isn't a small place, and end cities don't generate that often, but sure I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 3:33:38 GMT
Based off of what I’ve read, a reset isn’t necessary. Go exploring until you can find an elytra. I mean, I don’t get why they are so popular besides the purpose of flying. If the End was reset, then a lot of builds will be forfeited (three end farms, the spleef and pvp arena, all great builds), and it would take forever to rebuild those. I’m positive that some staff may not feel motivated to recreate what was lost, because hours or even days of building excellent structures are just going down the drain. The end is fine the way it is. I don’t have enough experience (1 month) to even think about an end reset. Deleting region files is fine enough, honestly. It’s just that some people are too lazy and can’t accept it when they find a raided end city or structure, I don’t know? Keep exploring. You will find one.
The bottom line is, in my opinion, no. Please do not reset it. Although it may have positive effects, the negative effects will outweigh the positive effects because great buildings are going to go to waste, unless if they are copied, reset the end, and pasted back into the new end world. Though this sounds very extravagant, this is my opinion.
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Post by thesavior76 on Apr 13, 2018 13:21:11 GMT
Based off of what I’ve read, a reset isn’t necessary. Go exploring until you can find an elytra. I mean, I don’t get why they are so popular besides the purpose of flying. If the End was reset, then a lot of builds will be forfeited (three end farms, the spleef and pvp arena, all great builds), and it would take forever to rebuild those. I’m positive that some staff may not feel motivated to recreate what was lost, because hours or even days of building excellent structures are just going down the drain. The end is fine the way it is. I don’t have enough experience (1 month) to even think about an end reset. Deleting region files is fine enough, honestly. It’s just that some people are too lazy and can’t accept it when they find a raided end city or structure, I don’t know? Keep exploring. You will find one. The bottom line is, in my opinion, no. Please do not reset it. Although it may have positive effects, the negative effects will outweigh the positive effects because great buildings are going to go to waste, unless if they are copied, reset the end, and pasted back into the new end world. Though this sounds very extravagant, this is my opinion. Structures can be saved though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 15:05:40 GMT
Based off of what I’ve read, a reset isn’t necessary. Go exploring until you can find an elytra. I mean, I don’t get why they are so popular besides the purpose of flying. If the End was reset, then a lot of builds will be forfeited (three end farms, the spleef and pvp arena, all great builds), and it would take forever to rebuild those. I’m positive that some staff may not feel motivated to recreate what was lost, because hours or even days of building excellent structures are just going down the drain. The end is fine the way it is. I don’t have enough experience (1 month) to even think about an end reset. Deleting region files is fine enough, honestly. It’s just that some people are too lazy and can’t accept it when they find a raided end city or structure, I don’t know? Keep exploring. You will find one. The bottom line is, in my opinion, no. Please do not reset it. Although it may have positive effects, the negative effects will outweigh the positive effects because great buildings are going to go to waste, unless if they are copied, reset the end, and pasted back into the new end world. Though this sounds very extravagant, this is my opinion. Structures can be saved though. Yes, that’s why I mentioned copying and pasting builds :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 15:57:53 GMT
raiding is aginst the rules so why are cities even raided?
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Post by Admin on Apr 13, 2018 16:00:41 GMT
After reading through everyone's posts I think I've come to the perfect solution which will keep everyone happy. I'm going to keep all the end cities raided but reset all of the end farms and everything built near the spawn point.
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Post by thesavior76 on Apr 13, 2018 16:45:05 GMT
Structures can be saved though. Yes, that’s why I mentioned copying and pasting builds :-) Ah i didn't see it |
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Apr 13, 2018 21:19:37 GMT
After reading through everyone's posts I think I've come to the perfect solution which will keep everyone happy. I'm going to keep all the end cities raided but reset all of the end farms and everything built near the spawn point. wait what... |
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Post by FireSafetyDoggo on Apr 13, 2018 22:24:40 GMT
After reading through everyone's posts I think I've come to the perfect solution which will keep everyone happy. I'm going to keep all the end cities raided but reset all of the end farms and everything built near the spawn point. Ummmmmmm that seems ass backwards |
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Post by cyrowind on Apr 14, 2018 1:42:06 GMT
After reading through everyone's posts I think I've come to the perfect solution which will keep everyone happy. I'm going to keep all the end cities raided but reset all of the end farms and everything built near the spawn point. Ummmmmmm that seems ass backwards I'm pretty sure Meehan is right... unless you read the wrong thread. The whole point was to keep the cities raided, and reset spawn. I don't see how doing it the other way would benefit anyone... but that's just me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 7:41:11 GMT
Trollhan_miner comin' at ya with good solutions once again. LOL
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Post by toasterD00M on Apr 14, 2018 18:07:10 GMT
Umm I was thinking reset the end cities, but not spawn, as then we would have to put in all the work again to rebuild
Although I do like the idea of resetting the gateways, so we have to re-fight the dragon, maybe as a server event or something
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Anyways, the end farm IMO, while being a great advantageous asset, is a contradiction to SMP. Take what you will with that, but i understand that's it Semi-Vanilla. However, your whole point seems to be pointing to how SMP revolves around working for items. Well....the end farm kinda makes things easy, no? That was basically your argument against the whole reset. The end farm makes getting levels easier. In your opinion it's easy to go out and get these things, yes it's somewhat easy because you just need to look. It just takes time, and honestly that's kinda not alluring to people.
