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Post by anothershoe on May 25, 2018 4:52:07 GMT
I've been reading through the helper applications for the past week, and I noticed at one point someone voted against one applicant, and then posted their own application a couple of days later. I'm not naming anyone, but isn't it a conflict of interest to vote for other people while they themselves are trying to get the same position?
Google's definition for Conflict of Interest is below - "a situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official capacity."
As a suggestion to keep things fair and not motivated by other interests, I don't think anyone who has an active helper application should be making decisions, whether posts, polls or otherwise, on another applicant. Their comments may not accurately reflect the character of the applicant.
Thoughts?
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Post by Choo_Imperium on May 25, 2018 4:59:08 GMT
Technically all the applications in that folder are "active" so that would be blocking some players votes. And 2nd the person voting has a right to vote yes or no. The votes do not decide staff. The staff does.
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Post by SnuRRe0 on May 25, 2018 13:46:33 GMT
Hi.
People applying for staff, should have the same right to vote at other apps as other players. Even staff members vote.
We are all part of the same community, and we have the same right to express what we think about a player becoming a staff member, as it will affects all players regardless, if that potential new staff member doesnt fit the role.
Also, there is no real competition between two apps. If we feel like we need more staff, we look through all apps at the forum and concider them.
We don't always just approve one either, look at Emajor7 and Phleanix. They got the helper role a few days apart.
And about Phleanix, his appeal was active at the forum for a year before he became staff. So the apps really never expires.
It's always nice to get a feeling of what most players think about another player becoming a staff member by looking at the votes and comments. But in the end of the day, the decision is made by the whole staff crew together, regardless of votes.
-SnuRRe
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Post by thesavior76 on May 25, 2018 18:10:37 GMT
I've been reading through the helper applications for the past week, and I noticed at one point someone voted against one applicant, and then posted their own application a couple of days later. I'm not naming anyone, but isn't it a conflict of interest to vote for other people while they themselves are trying to get the same position?
Google's definition for Conflict of Interest is below - "a situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official capacity."
As a suggestion to keep things fair and not motivated by other interests, I don't think anyone who has an active helper application should be making decisions, whether posts, polls or otherwise, on another applicant. Their comments may not accurately reflect the character of the applicant.
Thoughts?
I don't think I've ever seen you on before? Oh well. In regards to your post, this is a little ridiculous. As others said above, everyone is apart of the community. With that they being said, they have an exclusive right to vote on applicants applications. It doesn't have anything to do with trying to better yourself. It's not libel if it's true either. It just matters if you think another player is more mature and qualified. As the character comment goes, I've played with a lot of people that have apps. I think i can accurately reflect upon their character. So...no, bad idea. |
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Post by cptchlorox on May 25, 2018 20:23:19 GMT
I don't see this as a problem. Applicants are active members of the community, and deserve a say on things like this. Anyone should be able to vote yes or no without having to justify their reason. For you to assume that someone just went and voted no because they wanted to boost themself is sad. I do agree that if someone were to do that, it would be childish and pathetic. But at the end of the day, the votes don't matter as much as you'd think, and one vote won't change anything. If someone is extremely qualified for the position, and the community and staff want them on the team, one negative vote isn't going to matter. The only time this would become a problem is if someone is telling others to downvote an application for no reason (which players have been banned for this before), or even encouraging people to upvote their own.
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Post by anothershoe on May 25, 2018 21:51:13 GMT
Thank you for the quick responses! I will admit that I am new to the forums and did not understand the helper application process as well as some who have been posting longer. The presence of the polls at the top of the application made it seem that the outcome had an outsize impact on the decision made. Understanding now that the polls are just a part of the decision making process, I will agree with you all that everyone should have a voice on helper application, regardless if they are an applicant themselves. I don't think I've ever seen you on before? Oh well. In regards to your post, this is a little ridiculous. As others said above, everyone is apart of the community. (Post continues, emphasis my own) Text can't convey tone, but this comes across as gatekeeping, and a tad hostile. I've been active on the Simplex server since 2017, and I have only recently joined the forums (last week I think?). However, I did not realize that being new to posting on the forums makes my voice less valid?
Again, thank you all for tolerating my ignorance!
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Post by thesavior76 on May 26, 2018 0:18:05 GMT
I wasn't in the slightest disregarding your voice. You're free to think what you will. There's just no validity here. Anyways welcome to the forums! Expect criticism, and don't take things as hostile. My tone wasn't in the least bit hostile, mainly because this is text lol.
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Post by thesavior76 on May 26, 2018 0:19:41 GMT
Thank you for the quick responses! I will admit that I am new to the forums and did not understand the helper application process as well as some who have been posting longer. The presence of the polls at the top of the application made it seem that the outcome had an outsize impact on the decision made. Understanding now that the polls are just a part of the decision making process, I will agree with you all that everyone should have a voice on helper application, regardless if they are an applicant themselves. I don't think I've ever seen you on before? Oh well. In regards to your post, this is a little ridiculous. As others said above, everyone is apart of the community. (Post continues, emphasis my own) Text can't convey tone, but this comes across as gatekeeping, and a tad hostile. I've been active on the Simplex server since 2017, and I have only recently joined the forums (last week I think?). However, I did not realize that being new to posting on the forums makes my voice less valid?
Again, thank you all for tolerating my ignorance!
There's no gate keeping going on here. I'm a little confused on how you got that idea? My judgement is my own, and if that's what you consider gate keeping. Then, well that's your prerogative. |
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Post by Amy <3 on Oct 16, 2018 6:49:25 GMT
I didn't think we could see who voted, how do you know they voted against someone?
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Post by JavaNinja on Oct 23, 2018 15:56:39 GMT
^^This. What @amiemarie27 said. You can't see who voted. Even staff can't see that (that I know of). But we can see who commented, i.e. if they left a positive or negative comment in the thread. So maybe that's what anothershoe meant. |
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Post by FireSafetyDoggo on Oct 24, 2018 1:32:46 GMT
Though this is a pretty dated post I'll say this. Staff can not see who voted. However admins can see that. There have been some moments when an admin felt suspicious about voting. These susispioms were founded to be true there were a couple users that did vote using alt accounts. Those accounds that were founded to be false and they were banned with the removal their votes. So with that being said everyone has every right to vote on anyone's application but you will be banned from the site or more if caught voting using duplicate accounts to vote down applications.
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