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Post by phleanix on Jul 27, 2018 11:13:15 GMT
Ranks don't actually play a part in gameplay so I don't really see a point in resetting those Yeah they do, voting/ranking up gives diamonds, emeralds, slimeballs, sethomes, and claimblocks. So they do affect gameplay
Perhaps I'm playing Devil's Advocate here... but I'd argue that this isn't the RANKS affecting gaming... That's the VOTING specifically
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Post by jendestroy on Jul 27, 2018 14:36:20 GMT
Yeah they do, voting/ranking up gives diamonds, emeralds, slimeballs, sethomes, and claimblocks. So they do affect gameplay
Perhaps I'm playing Devil's Advocate here... but I'd argue that this isn't the RANKS affecting gaming... That's the VOTING specifically if your rank doesn't reset, then you dont rank up, meaning you dont get those extra boost in materials. Which personally, since I rarely mine, I depend on ranking/voting for diamonds and such.
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Post by jendestroy on Jul 27, 2018 14:37:05 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't mind a complete reset of simplex, as long as we are allowed a map download. Would be fun to start fresh.
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Post by netcoolranger on Jul 27, 2018 22:05:46 GMT
Said yes although I have a lot invested in this world, 3 guardian farms and I will certainly miss my infinity mending bows.
However I think being forced to rebuild farms again and they will be better may be a good thing.
Either that or we drop 1.13 on the current world and see what kind of mess it makes, it could turn out to be quite cool..
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Post by cptchlorox on Jul 28, 2018 15:51:18 GMT
I'd be for a reset, but just imagine how big the world download would be. Probably 50-100gb +, and for everyone who doesn't want to lose their builds to have to download a 100gb file doesn't seem practical. I think two servers would be a better option. For the first server, we should keep the current map and maybe get new 1.13 features for it, but honestly, we wouldn't have to. We could even just leave the first server as 1.12.2 if we wanted to. The second server would be generated on 1.13 to give the full experience of the update. We could do the hardcore setup for it, or we could just keep it similar to the first server. Either way, we should have two ips and not even mess with bungeecord. Let me know what you guys think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 19:38:57 GMT
Guess I might as well post my thoughts/opinions as a player. Do I want a reset? Yes. Absolutely. I don't play anymore because there is nothing for me to do anymore. Having played for over 4000 hours I became stupid stacked, and being stupid stacked is only fun upto a certain point, and only for so long. When I join the server it's because I want to play some survival, yet I find myself to be in what essentially is creative mode with irrelevant health and hunger bars. And as someone that doesn't enjoy building for the sake of building, that's no fun I recently (not long before I stopped playing) even started fresh on an alt out of pure boredom because of what I said above. Must be quite different, right? Going from being stacked to having nothing? Well, not really. On the second day I got myself an elytra. Freshly found in an end city, obtained by beating shulkers to death with an iron shovel. Oh, and I also got a set of god armor, god tools, and a god sword on that same day. Getting to that point that quickly means there isn't even any fun to be had in starting fresh on the same world to me. If I start fresh on a singleplayer world at least I have to stock my own food, explore (untouched) terrain I haven't already seen a billion times, hunt for ender pearls before getting to the end, and beat the dragon with shitty armor before I can even consider getting an elytra. On here, none of that applies. I vote once, I type /warp end, and that's it. I'm in the end. Seriously. I didn't even think of that difference until I actually did start fresh on an alt. It's downright stupid how easy starting fresh is on here. Anyway, after typing /warp you just have to spend a few hours walking about to find an elytra, and to get out of the end all I have to do is /spawn. If you need food you walk 150 blocks from spawn. If you want a mending book all I have to do is shit out 2 diamonds, which can be done by voting twice for the day. Is it a choice to use said free food right outside of spawn, buy cheap ass mending books, or whatever else? Well yes, of course. I wish I was clueless. I wish I'd have to somehow discover these things on my own by playing, but I already know my way around the server probably better than anyone else, and I can't simply erase my memory. I know that I have to either bore myself with grindy stuff that isn't fun, or that I can get stuff with ease, which is also no fun, but at least it's not a boring grind. Seems like an obvious choice to me. Anyway, unless the server gets a reset I probably simply won't play anymore. I see no point in it, and I'm not having fun with it. If it were reset I'd probably be good for another few thousand hours of playtime though. That's my view on the matter as perhaps not just a player, but perhaps as the player that is naturally most burned out on this world in specific. Also, you'll always have more people that aren't at the point where they want a reset yet than you'll have people at the point they want a reset. New people join all the time. They don't want a reset. They're in the middle of working on stuff. Most of the ones that have been there a longer time probably value their builds too much to want a reset. They're invested in the server as it is, and the rest of the people that have been around for longer that would have liked a reset simply stopped playing already. You won't hear their opinions on the matter. They're already gone. Perhaps it gauges the opinion of the current active community, but it'll always be massively in favor of no reset. Just saying. I don't want resets every 6months/year either. But maybe after 2 years and a half and soon the 5th major version the world has been on without a reset, it's time. For all the version changes and border expansions the server's gone through, it's been pretty good all things considered (even though I'm still salty about woodland mansions). But I do believe that maybe now, with all the changes in block and chunk data (needing a whole world conversion to be done), and a whole revamp to all ocean biomes, it's time. (Also, when was the last time you saw an untouched village or temple just exploring? I bet a lot of people have never even seen such a thing on here. It's just one of those things. The world is really showing its age at this point.)
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Post by Zanril on Aug 1, 2018 1:32:28 GMT
I am not okay with a reset but am okay with putting the 1.12 world up for download (as already stated in a previous comment) and starting fresh on a 1.13 world. If Its the type of world with a peaceful life like it is now or the "hardcore" one meehan brought up I don't care either way, I'll play on it.
Staying back on older versions will only hinder player growth as time goes on. Who would want to play on a 1.12 world when we got this fresh new update out. How long will meehan be willing to put up with a constantly growing world fil size (especially with the creation of the explorers guild.) Will simplex be that server that never updates just to have its builds preserved? I believe many players will want to experience this update, Simplex will not be the place they go to if we stick with the current world.
With my time on the server and my experience running the official player market on simplex I'm ready to take what I learned and make a new base, maybe start a town: the next biggest town like ION if my staff team stick with me, become a helper, create another shopping district, maybe live with someone this time.
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Aug 1, 2018 2:19:59 GMT
as I stand rn, I am split in the world resetting. on one hand i don't want to lose all that i have made and created such as the arena, the COV, the Crystal District, (things that were made for the public) but on the other hand i want to start new and create a base that is not surrounded by others claims.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 2:38:43 GMT
Ok...
Something happened on the server earlier which made it lag down. This server lag is getting out of control, I bet there’s some laggy stuff in the world. The world’s showing its age, and it will only continue to get worse.
I understand not resetting the server but are you seriously willing to leave a community that you have played on and worked so hard to reach your goals, only for them to be taken away, then you are just going to go on another server? The world will be available for download, so at least you aren’t exactly losing everything. But it will be boring playing on a world without everyone on Simplex, it will not feel the same, it will feel like a ghost town.
There are amazing builds here, and there can be even better ones. It’s not worth it leaving after spending your time in a community that is unlike the others. Everyone’s in this together. At first I was neutral, then I didn’t want a reset, but there’s a lot more benefits if the world resets. Lag will go down, I don’t believe there are plugin issues.
Idk exactly what I’m blabbing about up there but at this point, we’ll just have to wait and see what happens... Might as well take screenshots of your builds and think how you can make them even better I guess.
Balancing the satisfaction between older and newer players is hard.
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Post by Kitty on Aug 2, 2018 18:02:43 GMT
The only way I'd be for a reset is if 1) we, as staff, move over the builds of the people who absolutely can not go on with out their builds/builds that we know took a long time like Lucid's desert and squee's castle. I myself have made schematics of my builds and would only wish to have the iron/guardian farm be moved. This would NOT be everyone's builds. If people can make schematics of their builds, they can use schematica to have a blueprint of their exact build for the new server. *****NOTE: USING THE "PRINT" FUNCTION OF THIS MOD IS BAN TIME!!***** Using JUST the blueprint part is perfectly ok and insures you have a copy of anything you have made on Simplex. Again, staff wouldn't be able to move everyone's things over. I know its hard but if we truly want this to happen(a reset) then both sides need to make sacrifices. In the long run, you wouldn't really be losing the build, just have to rebuild it. Which will take less time as you've already built it once! 2) Inventory transfer. I want to be able to load up, yes 100% fill, my inventory of things to transfer over. This includes but not limited to: infinity/mending bows, materials for said^^ schematics of my builds, ores, /skulls, and map art(if possible, not sure if maps can do that.) and all that in shulkers. I would want to look like a shulker monster with all dem shulkers. Yes using McEdit for staff would be a major pain in the ass. I would 100% be ok to do it all by myself. If no one wants me to have such powers, then give me access to the map we would use if we reset, I'll make schematics for the builds that we would need to save and I'll do everything myself. (ofc the ban-able way with creative and print but no one would be watching ) I see the server struggling. We do need a reset. But I refuse to lose the people, the community, that want to keep their builds. They are amazing people. We can reset and keep those people, we just have to be willing to put in the effort into keeping them. I have the time and would be more then willing to do this work myself if no one else is willing. #KeepTheThingsANDReset! <3 <3
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Post by jendestroy on Aug 2, 2018 18:17:53 GMT
The only way I'd be for a reset is if 1) we, as staff, move over the builds of the people who absolutely can not go on with out their builds/builds that we know took a long time like Lucid's desert and squee's castle. I myself have made schematics of my builds and would only wish to have the iron/guardian farm be moved. This would NOT be everyone's builds. If people can make schematics of their builds, they can use schematica to have a blueprint of their exact build for the new server. *****NOTE: USING THE "PRINT" FUNCTION OF THIS MOD IS BAN TIME!!***** Using JUST the blueprint part is perfectly ok and insures you have a copy of anything you have made on Simplex. Again, staff wouldn't be able to move everyone's things over. I know its hard but if we truly want this to happen(a reset) then both sides need to make sacrifices. In the long run, you wouldn't really be losing the build, just have to rebuild it. Which will take less time as you've already built it once! 2) Inventory transfer. I want to be able to load up, yes 100% fill, my inventory of things to transfer over. This includes but not limited to: infinity/mending bows, materials for said^^ schematics of my builds, ores, /skulls, and map art(if possible, not sure if maps can do that.) and all that in shulkers. I would want to look like a shulker monster with all dem shulkers. Yes using McEdit for staff would be a major pain in the ass. I would 100% be ok to do it all by myself. If no one wants me to have such powers, then give me access to the map we would use if we reset, I'll make schematics for the builds that we would need to save and I'll do everything myself. (ofc the ban-able way with creative and print but no one would be watching ) I see the server struggling. We do need a reset. But I refuse to lose the people, the community, that want to keep their builds. They are amazing people. We can reset and keep those people, we just have to be willing to put in the effort into keeping them. I have the time and would be more then willing to do this work myself if no one else is willing. #KeepTheThingsANDReset! <3 <3 so it wouldn't actually be a reset, it would be us packing our bags and moving somewhere else
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Post by Kitty on Aug 2, 2018 18:44:29 GMT
so it wouldn't actually be a reset, it would be us packing our bags and moving somewhere else We'd have a new would with 1.13 content everywhere instead of just outside the old boarder. Mansions, temples, villages, would be all new. fresh new nether and end. If someone who wants to start out 100% fresh, no one is making them have an inv of things with them. This is what it would take for someone like myself to have a reset. To make both sides come to a middle ground. People who want a reset, get one. The people who don't want to lose their things gets to keep them. compromises must be made to move forward. No we can't please everyone, but the majority can come to reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 19:29:20 GMT
The only way I'd be for a reset is if 1) we, as staff, move over the builds of the people who absolutely can not go on with out their builds/builds that we know took a long time like Lucid's desert and squee's castle. I myself have made schematics of my builds and would only wish to have the iron/guardian farm be moved. This would NOT be everyone's builds. If people can make schematics of their builds, they can use schematica to have a blueprint of their exact build for the new server. *****NOTE: USING THE "PRINT" FUNCTION OF THIS MOD IS BAN TIME!!***** Using JUST the blueprint part is perfectly ok and insures you have a copy of anything you have made on Simplex. Again, staff wouldn't be able to move everyone's things over. I know its hard but if we truly want this to happen(a reset) then both sides need to make sacrifices. In the long run, you wouldn't really be losing the build, just have to rebuild it. Which will take less time as you've already built it once! 2) Inventory transfer. I want to be able to load up, yes 100% fill, my inventory of things to transfer over. This includes but not limited to: infinity/mending bows, materials for said^^ schematics of my builds, ores, /skulls, and map art(if possible, not sure if maps can do that.) and all that in shulkers. I would want to look like a shulker monster with all dem shulkers. Yes using McEdit for staff would be a major pain in the ass. I would 100% be ok to do it all by myself. If no one wants me to have such powers, then give me access to the map we would use if we reset, I'll make schematics for the builds that we would need to save and I'll do everything myself. (ofc the ban-able way with creative and print but no one would be watching ) I see the server struggling. We do need a reset. But I refuse to lose the people, the community, that want to keep their builds. They are amazing people. We can reset and keep those people, we just have to be willing to put in the effort into keeping them. I have the time and would be more then willing to do this work myself if no one else is willing. #KeepTheThingsANDReset! <3 <3 This is a good solution, the only thing that is very concerning is lag. Will WorldEdit even be able to do that? I remember moving buildings to another world on another server that I played on, when the world was going to be reset. How it worked was players made a request to move their buildings. There was a limit on how many buildings you could move, for example, normal members could get up to three builds moved, and donors can get up to six builds moved. I remember moving some of them (being the only active operator at that time) and the server would crash because of it. What I would do is open up a new world dedicated to those buildings. WorldEdit would be annoying at times and I would have to constantly undo and redo the builds so they would not cut into the ground and have parts of the build missing. I’m not very good at copying and pasting but imagine all the struggles while doing that. Some of the builds could not be moved because of how large they were, it includes air blocks as well. Someone (not saying names) wanted to copy the entire server world as it is right now from Y level 1 to 256 and then paste it in a new world... That can break the server. When the reset time came, the server would be whitelisted so only staff members would log on. That was the quiet time. During that time, there were a lot of improvements and maintenance made. After the world was reset, we would paste the buildings back into the world. It’s a risky process... I agree with your idea and I suggest having a limit on how many buildings people can move IF that idea goes through, if we do have a reset. It’s a first come, first serve thing. P.S.: By the way, inventories should be transferred over.
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Post by cptchlorox on Aug 2, 2018 19:39:13 GMT
If we're going to McEdit things in, why not keep the current map and McEdit new structures to raid in. We'll also McEdit in new oceans. For people who want a fresh start we can blow up their bases and delete their player files. Problem solved. Everyone will be happy. No compromises needed.
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Post by AdamAndCaleb on Aug 2, 2018 20:50:16 GMT
If we're going to McEdit things in, why not keep the current map and McEdit new structures to raid in. We'll also McEdit in new oceans. For people who want a fresh start we can blow up their bases and delete their player files. Problem solved. Everyone will be happy. No compromises needed. From what I can tell, the problem is only partially the lack of 1.13 elements. The other problem is the lack of any unexplored terrain.
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