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Post by Burnsy on Sept 25, 2020 21:49:13 GMT
Let me share one of my major concerns here. If people steal from shops I can not ban them because you have no worldguard region. So how are you guys dealing with thiefs? U can't simply say "hey, u stole get out of here" that's not going to work. For me this is just the nether roof but then a planned out version with plots. I honestly think that this is just something to take revenge on the current shopping district. Sure the idea is good but the execution of this is not. At simplex we do not make enemies we respect each other. So yeah I will not participate in the market place purely for the wrong in tensions of proving that the current people don't do their work good with all the rules and etc. Have fun with this project. I'd like to make it clear that the marketplace was NOT made to get revenge or spite the original district. At first it might've been inspired by a vendetta against them, however it's grown a lot since then and we wouldn't have put in nearly as much work as we've done this far just to prove a point. We're serious about wanting to provide a better experience for players. I respect your decision if you don't want to be a part of it, and agree that we could've went with a better plan for execution. Zanril's post definately didn't help, and I believe he spun it the wrong way. I have no ill will towards any of the district staff team, and even though I don't agree with a lot of what they do, I still respect them and their work. If you ever change your mind and want to own a shop in the marketplace, OR wanna browse around let me know. The plan for theft hasn't completely been outlined, but we're willing to cooperate with staff as much as possible to make their lives easier, and if we need to go the route of worldguard we will. If not, it's assumed that repeat offenders will likely be banned from the server. |
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Post by cptchlorox on Sept 26, 2020 0:17:58 GMT
I agree with Phleanix in that the original post was aggressive, and overly hostile. Zanril should've probably taken a different approach with it. I'd like to apologize for not more carefully proof-reading it when he had sent the team his draft last week. We did have some issues with the district in the past, and we did make our suggestions. We were told if we didn't like how things were run, to start our own. We figured why not. We have experience, and we wanted to give players another place to shop. But we've since moved on from those issues. We came to accept that the district staff are free to run their district however they want to, and we're free to run ours however we want. It's not my place to say what they're doing right, and what they're doing wrong. The complaints Zanril had don't really matter anymore so I'm not sure why he had to mention them here. I'm also not sure why we had to turn a thread about the Marketplace into a thread about "what's wrong with the district"/"why the district is fine the way it is" etc etcc.. Sure, district policy is a conversation that could be had but I'm not sure why this had to be the place for it. I feel like we got way off topic, but I guess that's also partly because Zanril had used this as a medium to slam the district which I again, think was a bad idea. Having two shopping areas is new, unusual, and different for all of us. But I want to make it clear that we aren't trying to replace, shut down, or change the shopping district in any way. We're simply just offering our services with a brand new shopping area. It doesn't have to be a them or us game. Anyone is welcome to join us, or steer clear of us - even players who already own a plot in the shopping district. You can own a shop at both places, and you can be a part of both communities. The only thing is that we don't allow players to own inner ring plots in both areas. Or well, more specifically - anyone owning an inner ring plot in the shopping district cannot request one in the marketplace. This rule was inspired from chats with Meehan over the marketplace, and how we shared a vision of allowing more players access to an inner ring plot. We want this to be as fair as possible. We also decided to put a week cooldown before any market staff could grab their own plots, because we didn't want the inner ring to be privilege-based. Another thing worth mentioning is that we don't have a rank requirement at the moment because we are just a player build. Built by players, for players. No special admin privileges or perks (warps, anti-phantom spawning commands, worldedit, worldguard, etc). However, in the event that we get a warp or are afforded some perks, we would consider petitioning for a minimum rank of either Novice or Apprentice OR to have a minimum playtime of 24 hours before entering. Sure there might be some theft without a magical force field, and I suppose our answer is that repeat thieves would be reported and jailed/banned just like any other troublesome player stealing from a player's claim. And if theft gets out of hand, we'll look at what our options are and find an alternative route. This should have never been spun in a way of "we're better then them" or "we're going to be better than them". This is dangerous thinking, and at the end of the day we're not. I'm sure when all is said and done, some players will enjoy some of the stuff we do, and other players will favor some of the things the district does. Which is perfectly okay. We're just here to do things our way and to have fun with it. The claim of "offering a better place to shop" shouldn't have been made, because everyone has a different idea of what defines better. I'm hoping that it's not too late to change our poor first impression. If you'd like to request a plot, let me or another manager know in-game or on discord. Alternatively, you can use the market's mailbox. Plenty of inner ring shop space available  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 2:23:53 GMT
Why would I pick this new shopping district / marketplace of yours over the current one as a player? As far as I'm concerned, the entire point of a shopping district / marketplace is the convenience. I don't need a shop or a shopping district to sell stuff. But it's nice to have people be able to easily buy things from me even when I'm offline. Without a warp or very short distance from a warp I don't see why I would get a plot here over the current SD. Here are some key differences from the Shopping District • Updated terminology • Different attendance sign life span, insurance prices, and update limits based on what ring you build your shop • Shop States • Your insurance diamonds will still protect you even if you have a guard banner. • 24 hour, open-ended auction system • No mini shops • A themeless and plain design achieved using quartz and light grey concrete so colorful shops stand out. • Staff applications are submitted on our discord server not in-game (since having discord is a requirement). • No merging plots • All players regardless of rank may enter the marketplace The only real benefit I see in this list as a player is the last one. But as a staff member this just sounds like more of a shitfest to deal with. Everything else is just minor changes that as a player I couldn't care less about. I'm just here to sell shit, not to get involved in politics. |
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Post by Zanril on Sept 26, 2020 15:47:49 GMT
I regretted the first half of my post immediantly after phleanix put his reply. Further replies made me die inside.
I lost sleep last night thinking that:
"My reputation is tarnished."
"The team is going to hate me for this."
"I wonder how they are going to clean up MY mess."
"I created a distinctive us versus them and I don't think I can remove that stigma."
"my delivery made me the bad guy."
"I misinterpreted this entire project as taking a fight to the shopping district."
"The market's going to fail and all my ideas will be stolen by the district."
"Everyone going to associate my name with the market now."
I wanted my post to be impactful and aggressive cause I thought there would be a distinct us versus them since I've never opened a shopping area before, let alone with competition already in place.. What I felt like making the market and this thread was going to be like revealed to me that I've been taking things the wrong way, I'm too serious about this, and we were just opening to do our own thing not declare war on the district. My hateful words about the district should have stayed with me.
Other than that, I encourge you to visit the marketplace and see interpretation of a shopping area we made. There exists our alternaties, rules, and prefernces, some of which were not possible without going off on our own.
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Post by Zephy on Sept 30, 2020 19:57:59 GMT
Here I am after my motherboard had to be RMA'd. And now I have to comment on this fiasco which I didn't want to be involved in but now you have forced my hand. I half-expected a rival District to pop up. I did not expect a rival District to pop up in the way that it did in the Nether shop area I created, in a toxic, unmannerly post that was an insult to the current Shopping District Managers and Owners who have done their best, especially during the reset transition, to have a friendly and functioning shopping district, which by the way has been incredibly successful. The established purpose of the Nether shops is to create an area where people can create their own shops to sell their goods and services. I did not make the area for people to build nuclear reactors, and I sure didn't make the Nether area to let CptChlorox or anyone else create a portal to their own marketplace area without, at the very least, my consultation. I was not even given this courtesy. This feels like a spit to my face.
If you wanted to make an area there, sure. But now with this post, how uncertain I feel about your true intentions, and how you felt it was okay to do this without asking or even notifying me first, I simply cannot support a portal to a marketplace that has caused this much drama. This just adds to the illegitimacy of this "marketplace".
Kindly find somewhere else to lead people to your marketplace. I do not support this action and will review my options.
Best wishes, -Z
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Post by cptchlorox on Sept 30, 2020 21:24:07 GMT
Here I am after my motherboard had to be RMA'd. And now I have to comment on this fiasco which I didn't want to be involved in but now you have forced my hand. I half-expected a rival District to pop up. I did not expect a rival District to pop up in the way that it did in the Nether shop area I created, in a toxic, unmannerly post that was an insult to the current Shopping District Managers and Owners who have done their best, especially during the reset transition, to have a friendly and functioning shopping district, which by the way has been incredibly successful. The established purpose of the Nether shops is to create an area where people can create their own shops to sell their goods and services. I did not make the area for people to build nuclear reactors, and I sure didn't make the Nether area to let CptChlorox or anyone else create a portal to their own marketplace area without, at the very least, my consultation. I was not even given this courtesy. This feels like a spit to my face.
If you wanted to make an area there, sure. But now with this post, how uncertain I feel about your true intentions, and how you felt it was okay to do this without asking or even notifying me first, I simply cannot support a portal to a marketplace that has caused this much drama. This just adds to the illegitimacy of this "marketplace".
Kindly find somewhere else to lead people to your marketplace. I do not support this action and will review my options.
Best wishes, -Z
Again, I apologize for the post and how it looked. It wasn't good, and we can all agree that Zanril shouldn't have gone about it in the way he originally did. We didn't want to use this project nor this post to slam or attack individuals in the community especially the district staff. Because credit where credit is due, they are very hard working and dedicated players. We're hoping we can work past any tensions or drama this thread so far has caused, and we're hoping for the opportunity to show players that we only have pure intentions in mind. Zephyr, we both share a vision of offering an area for players to create their own shops to sell goods and services. That's what we're doing. Sorry for not consulting you beforehand, but you don't own the area. MegaPupEx owned the claim and gave it to me. I chose that spot because it was at the corresponding nether coordinates of the marketplace (and also my base). Just because you have a long railroad in the nether doesn't mean you own every other build that pops up nearby. Contrary to what you might think, you don't own the nether. Respectfully, why is it your say to tell me if or if not I can have a nether portal in the friggen nether update. Just because you have chosen to claim stuff near the nether's spawn shouldn't mean I can't. |
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Post by Zephy on Sept 30, 2020 21:43:13 GMT
Here I am after my motherboard had to be RMA'd. And now I have to comment on this fiasco which I didn't want to be involved in but now you have forced my hand. I half-expected a rival District to pop up. I did not expect a rival District to pop up in the way that it did in the Nether shop area I created, in a toxic, unmannerly post that was an insult to the current Shopping District Managers and Owners who have done their best, especially during the reset transition, to have a friendly and functioning shopping district, which by the way has been incredibly successful. The established purpose of the Nether shops is to create an area where people can create their own shops to sell their goods and services. I did not make the area for people to build nuclear reactors, and I sure didn't make the Nether area to let CptChlorox or anyone else create a portal to their own marketplace area without, at the very least, my consultation. I was not even given this courtesy. This feels like a spit to my face.
If you wanted to make an area there, sure. But now with this post, how uncertain I feel about your true intentions, and how you felt it was okay to do this without asking or even notifying me first, I simply cannot support a portal to a marketplace that has caused this much drama. This just adds to the illegitimacy of this "marketplace".
Kindly find somewhere else to lead people to your marketplace. I do not support this action and will review my options.
Best wishes, -Z
Again, I apologize for the post and how it looked. It wasn't good, and we can all agree that Zanril shouldn't have gone about it in the way he originally did. We didn't want to use this project nor this post to slam or attack individuals in the community especially the district staff. Because credit where credit is due, they are very hard working and dedicated players. We're hoping we can work past any tensions or drama this thread so far has caused, and we're hoping for the opportunity to show players that we only have pure intentions in mind. Zephyr, we both share a vision of offering an area for players to create their own shops to sell goods and services. That's what we're doing. Sorry for not consulting you beforehand, but you don't own the area. MegaPupEx owned the claim and gave it to me. I chose that spot because it was at the corresponding nether coordinates of the marketplace (and also my base). Just because you have a long railroad in the nether doesn't mean you own every other build that pops up nearby. Contrary to what you might think, you don't own the nether. Respectfully, why is it your say to tell me if or if not I can have a nether portal in the friggen nether update. Just because you have chosen to claim stuff near the nether's spawn shouldn't mean I can't.
-Zanril posted the post, I do not need your apology respectfully. Although I will ask that you read the new rules about having more than one claim in the Nether shop area.
-It isn't a railroad, it's a Nether shop, don't try and make it less than what it is. I don't call your marketplace a "discount Shopping District".
-Doesn't matter who transferred the claims to who.
-It is along the path and I reserve the right to ask you to demolish your portal/plot or I will contest the claim myself. You're making this harder than it has to be.
-I don't own the Nether, of course, no one says I do. But I created this area to be a friendly place to shop to emulate what we used to have, and things were going very well until you had to have all this happen. You couldn't be bothered enough to DM me, because it did not occur to any of you that I may have an opinion on this, and seeing as how I built the Nether shop, I have a very strong voice on this matter.
-You went out of your way to cause a ruckus, and disrupt the overall atmosphere of a place I created for everyone, to add insult to injury.
If you had a shop in the Mall of America and used it as a tunnel to lead people to a third-party shopping area, I think they would be more than upset.
No. To all of that.
A spit in my face.
Nothing less.
Kindly, -Z
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Post by cptchlorox on Sept 30, 2020 22:09:16 GMT
Again, I apologize for the post and how it looked. It wasn't good, and we can all agree that Zanril shouldn't have gone about it in the way he originally did. We didn't want to use this project nor this post to slam or attack individuals in the community especially the district staff. Because credit where credit is due, they are very hard working and dedicated players. We're hoping we can work past any tensions or drama this thread so far has caused, and we're hoping for the opportunity to show players that we only have pure intentions in mind. Zephyr, we both share a vision of offering an area for players to create their own shops to sell goods and services. That's what we're doing. Sorry for not consulting you beforehand, but you don't own the area. MegaPupEx owned the claim and gave it to me. I chose that spot because it was at the corresponding nether coordinates of the marketplace (and also my base). Just because you have a long railroad in the nether doesn't mean you own every other build that pops up nearby. Contrary to what you might think, you don't own the nether. Respectfully, why is it your say to tell me if or if not I can have a nether portal in the friggen nether update. Just because you have chosen to claim stuff near the nether's spawn shouldn't mean I can't.
-Zanril posted the post, I do not need your apology respectfully. Although I will ask that you read the new rules about having more than one claim in the Nether shop area.
-It isn't a railroad, it's a Nether shop, don't try and make it less than what it is. I don't call your marketplace a "discount Shopping District".
-Doesn't matter who transferred the claims to who.
-It is along the path and I reserve the right to ask you to demolish your portal/plot or I will contest the claim myself. You're making this harder than it has to be.
-I don't own the Nether, of course, no one says I do. But I created this area to be a friendly place to shop to emulate what we used to have, and things were going very well until you had to have all this happen. You couldn't be bothered enough to DM me, because it did not occur to any of you that I may have an opinion on this, and seeing as how I built the Nether shop, I have a very strong voice on this matter.
-You went out of your way to cause a ruckus, and disrupt the overall atmosphere of a place I created for everyone, to add insult to injury.
If you had a shop in the Mall of America and used it as a tunnel to lead people to a third-party shopping area, I think they would be more than upset.
No. To all of that.
A spit in my face.
Nothing less.
Kindly, -Z
I'm sorry you feel this way. There's really not much I can do to change how you feel in this case. I really wasn't trying to offend or insult you, but I'm also not going to bend over backwards to please you. You may not have called the marketplace a discount shopping district, but you did call it an "illegitimate marketplace". And so I am in no way sorry for calling your "nether shopping area" just a glorified railroad. And at the end of the day, I have a portal in my claim, and the claim leads to an area that's been around longer the nether pathway has been. So if you want to contest it, go ahead. If you want to place signs frowning upon it, go ahead. But how I see it is you built your "nether shopping area" way too close to the nether that's connected to my base and the marketplace. The development on the marketplace started before your nether "manifest destiny" did. It's unfortunate that we weren't able to come to an agreement, and I'm sorry for my part in this "commotion" you think I started. However, it's looking more and more likely that we'll have to get staff involved as a mediator in order to come to any form of compromise or settlement. |
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Post by Zephy on Sept 30, 2020 22:24:55 GMT
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Post by diwanshu on Oct 1, 2020 14:17:09 GMT
Just my two cents on nether roof since from start I been telling ya zephy nothing on there is yours to decide untill and unless you make a claim....told ya from start if you had plans to build something like shopping district you better claim first and build after.
Second over all this fiasco both zan and chloro made good enough apologies in posts above which should be given credit too sure post came of wrong but they apologized so end of that in my opinion.
Third pretty sure the 50block or 100block from someone claim doesn't apply on nether roof it's just a mutual understanding between two different claim owners on how they can resolve the dispute...nether roof since simplex 1.0 was claim and make and there is no rule like you have to build within a week or so with that said the chloro having two claims on roof one for marketplace and one for his own shop seems fine to me, everyone has equal opportunity since start to claim sooner then later roof will have multiple claims just like spawn can't stop that I guess or can't expect each and everyone to ask zeph first before building above(you only own what you claimed).
People can build farms shops bases pathways whatever they want up there pretty sure.
Fourth I don't see marketplace as anything that would ruin nether roof area since if people build anything there it's just more crowd on roof area which is best.
Fifth credit where credit is due good work on pathways so far perhaps we should try more interconnected soulspeed+speed 2 paths up there let me know if you ready with somesort of less ugly way to put soulsand up there.
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