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Post by chashbot on Jun 2, 2017 18:50:25 GMT
I would like the command '/seen' to be put on the server, I'm pretty sure everyone else will agree. The reason for this is because I am quite interested when my friends left the game - would be useful. Thanks.
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Post by JavaNinja on Jun 2, 2017 18:57:29 GMT
Short answer: no. /seen also reveals their IP address.
Less short answer: it is possible to implement a version of /seen for players only. That's up to meehan if he wants to go to the trouble.
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Post by chashbot on Jun 2, 2017 19:03:23 GMT
Only operators are able to see the IP address, there are seperate permissions in essentials that lets you see extra details with /seen. 'essentials.seen' only displays when the user last logged in. As seen in the picture, these are the available permissions. Normal players with essentials.seen will not be able to view the player's IP anyway.  |
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Post by JavaNinja on Jun 2, 2017 19:08:53 GMT
I stand corrected.  |
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Post by ginkeo on Jun 3, 2017 21:03:36 GMT
I would also like to be able to use /seen
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 21:17:27 GMT
Quoting this from simplex.boards.net/thread/649/ because it's relevant well ill respond to this because ive been asked it a lot. I don't think its a good idea to have either of these commands. When I started this server I said to myself you guys would be given the bare necesitties (lol sounds harsh) and nothing more. The reason for that is when you start adding little albeit useful commands the idea of this being as close to vanilla as possible starts to fade, and I don't want that. Sure /seen has no harm at all, but still its a step away from vanilla. Personally I wouldn't really mind having normal users able to use the /seen command though. Edit: By the way, feel free to ask a staff member to check when someone was last online. We can use seen and generally don't mind telling players. |
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Post by ginkeo on Jun 4, 2017 0:43:49 GMT
Yes /seen is a step away from vanilla but so is /warp or even /spawn. I see it as more of a utility command myself. /seen is not in single player because it has no use there but is is vary helpful on servers. And besides if you ask staff will tell you what /seen says anyway so i do not see the point in not letting players use it.
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Post by cptchlorox on Jun 4, 2017 2:30:43 GMT
Evidently, "it takes away from the vanilla feel of the game" I don't see how, but it does.
This feature has been requested countless times through other threads, direct messages to Meehan, and in-game chat. Seeing as how it hasn't been implemented yet and how half of our requests get ignored by Meehan, it would seem that he has no intention to implement this feature.
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2017 5:08:26 GMT
I just feel when a potential player who joins this server is looking for as close to vanilla as possible, but with added necessities, /seen doesn't fit that description. If we allow that, we may as well allow /recipe, and then more. Even /tpa used to not exist on this server. And another thing is it could also potentially be used for the wrong reasons, like griefing someone who hasn't been online in a while, and is unlikely to come back.
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Post by cptchlorox on Jun 4, 2017 5:25:20 GMT
Hold up, guys I figured out the real reason we don't have ./seen! All I had to do was to dig past all the bullshit reasons why we shouldn't have it (let's you know when a player is inactive so you can grief them even though you could still just ask a mod to do ./seen which is completely normal and common, adding it would be giving in and then there's no limit to what we'd have to do (./recipe even though it's obsolete in 1.12), loss of survival feel when it just displays text and we yet can justify antixray and logblock and claims and such even doesn't have it, etc.) The real reason is hidden in plain sight. If we had ./seen we could see that Jasan has been inactive for decades. This entire scheme was just a coverup for his absense on the server. I'm sorry I must say, but Meehan, you've been exposed!!
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Post by ginkeo on Jun 4, 2017 5:31:28 GMT
I see your point. I am just saying that sense staff will already tell if asked you might as well allow it. Plus all it does is display text in chat, it does not affect game play at all. I do agree that it could be used for griefing, but wouldn't it be the same risk weather staff told them or they ran the command themselves? I will support you decision either way though.
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Post by ginkeo on Jun 4, 2017 5:40:40 GMT
Maybe you could make it a donation command or require a higher voter rank to use it so new people will not be discouraged by it if that is what you are afraid of.
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2017 5:51:10 GMT
Having the command available to everyone to use at their will increases the incentive to search out other people's homes and use /seen in the hopes they haven't been online in a while. Unlikely yes, but I wouldn't put it beyond people on the internet. Also, I haven't looked into this but having people use /seen nonstop could cause some kind of lag, constantly making the server search through its database to check for the last sign of a certain player online will cause lag to some degree. How much whilst it being available to everyone? Idk.
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Post by ginkeo on Jun 4, 2017 5:59:48 GMT
It does not have to be absolutely everyone, like I said make it a donation command or something.(So long as you retro-grant it to people like me who have already perched "All Commands"  .) And how will people grief with grief-protection enabled, as long as people are smart and claim their builds they will be fine. |
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Post by Kitty on Jun 4, 2017 7:51:03 GMT
It does not have to be absolutely everyone, like I said make it a donation command or something.(So long as you retro-grant it to people like me who have already perched "All Commands" .) And how will people grief with grief-protection enabled, as long as people are smart and claim their builds they will be fine. Ginkeo, since you are fairly new, I will enlighten you on why we don't rely on people claiming their things and why even if a build is unclaimed we punish those who raid/grief: a long time ago we had another server host. They were terrible and something on their end fucked our files up. This ment the server was down a week. In that time we lost ALL claim data,all votes, all claimblocks but most importantly we lost good players. We made it our mission to find and protect those people's builds the best we could. Because even though they were gone, thier builds would remain. So when someone finds an unclaimed build it brings back memories we had of those who never came back. And we get pretty pissed when someone is disrespectful of other's builds and griefs. Yes we have the claim system but players don't have to claim if they dont want to and they have our promise we will punish any fucking asshole who thinks its fun to grief someone's hard work. On the note of cptchlorox's comments whether joking or not are uncalled for. And for this whole "we've been ignored" bullshit: you haven't been ignored, if the owner of this server WHO PAYS FOR THIS SERVER doesn't fucking want you ungrateful little brats to have these fucking commands then you don't get them. End of story. If you think you can run a better server by all means go for it! Don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. #rantover. |
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.) And how will people grief with grief-protection enabled, as long as people are smart and claim their builds they will be fine.
